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What do you think the Fusion Dance multiplier is?
Topic Started: Feb 12 2017, 08:22 PM (1,404 Views)
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I think the fusion doenst have multiplier. I guess ssj gogeta could be very well inderior to ssj3 gotenks. The fusion might be different for each

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Feb 12 2017, 10:38 PM
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Feb 12 2017, 10:17 PM
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Feb 12 2017, 10:11 PM
What was his estimation exactly?
Someone "definitely" strong enough to defeat Fat Boo, someone "stronger than [Goku]."
Yeah... that doesn't mean static boost. Just guaranteed to be a great one.
It still means that he knows it's going to be stronger than Boo, and there's no way of him being confident in that unless there's, at the very least, a minimum boost.

Goku must have sensed the Metamorrans' initial ki and then the ki of the fused being, and put 2 and 2 together (no pun intended).

Metamorran 150
Metamorran (Fused) 3000

Something like that. He then applied this same "fusion formula", with its inherent multiplier, to Goten and Trunks and concluded that the resultant fusion, bolstered by Super Saiyan, would be strong enough to beat Fat Buu.

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Feb 12 2017, 10:30 PM
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Feb 12 2017, 10:29 PM
Darn it, I should've been more specific. When I say Fusion Dance multiplier, I mean as it pertains specifically to Gotenks. Like, I'm asking what you guys think the multiplier is which ends up in Gotenks being stronger than Goten and Trunks put together. I didn't intend to include GT and Gogeta in the scope of the topic.

So, specifically about Gotenks - don't you guys think A + B x 10 is perfect? SSJ Gotenks (Pre) and SSJ3 Goku being in the same ballpark fits nicely, as does Goten and Trunks being a 4 to Goku's 10.
While it does at first, it doesn't do justice to post-RoSaT Gotenks' power.

Can you elaborate on this point? Are you saying you think the multiplier is too low? Keep in mind that Goten and Trunks "merely" doubling their power levels has massive implications for Gotenks.
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Feb 12 2017, 10:29 PM
Darn it, I should've been more specific. When I say Fusion Dance multiplier, I mean as it pertains specifically to Gotenks. Like, I'm asking what you guys think the multiplier is which ends up in Gotenks being stronger than Goten and Trunks put together. I didn't intend to include GT and Gogeta in the scope of the topic.

So, specifically about Gotenks - don't you guys think A + B x 10 is perfect? SSJ Gotenks (Pre) and SSJ3 Goku being in the same ballpark fits nicely, as does Goten and Trunks being a 4 to Goku's 10.
While it does at first, it doesn't do justice to post-RoSaT Gotenks' power.
Can you elaborate on this point? Are you saying you think the multiplier is too low? Keep in mind that Goten and Trunks "merely" doubling their power levels has massive implications for Gotenks.
It really doesn't...

(10 + 10) x 10 = 200

(20 + 20) x 10 = 400

It's exactly relative and always will be with a formula like that. They double, Gotenks doubles.

...so in order for Gotenks to end up where he is shown to be... oh my goodness how strong the kids would have to become...
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...so in order for Gotenks to end up where he is shown to be... oh my goodness how strong the kids would have to become...

Are you referring to Base Gotenks (Post-ROAST BEEF) > SSJ Gotenks (Pre)? Because I am 99% convinced that that is a gag scene. But I won't elaborate on that unless that is what you meant.

Oh, and yeah. They double, Gotenks doubles. I wrote that particular part of my previous post too hastily. Disregard. :p
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Yes, that's the scene I was referring to. I don't hold it up as much of a gag scene, not the power comparisons anyway.
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If I understand correctly, you guys are saying that for Gotenks to stand a chance against Super Buu in base, as implied by Piccolo, the fusion multiplier must be bigger than 10, because it otherwise implies that the kids received a humongously large power boost while being ROASTed.

So what happens if, like me, you consider the Post > Pre implication as a setup for an immediately subsequent gag scene and not a power statement? So, disregarding one sentence from Piccolo which is very much up in the air (and Base Gotenks didn't even scratch Super Buu, so Piccolo was delusional in the first place), is there anything "wrong" with the A + B x 10 formula? Any glaring mistakes or contradictions? I've read several threads on different DBZ forums about the Gotenks multiplier and this is the one which strikes me as the most accurate. Does it hinge entirely on your subscription to Post > Pre?

Any chance Toriyama can chime in here? Appreciate it, pal. :p
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If I understand correctly, you guys are saying that for Gotenks to stand a chance against Super Buu in base, as implied by Piccolo, the fusion multiplier must be bigger than 10, because it otherwise implies that the kids received a humongously large power boost while being ROASTed.
It's not about it being bigger than 10... it's about it varying.

If you take the power implications seriously, [Post-RoSaT] Gotenks > [Pre-RoSaT] SSJ Gotenks... and your fusion boost remained a constant, then Goten and Trunks would have to surpass their own SSJ selves for Gotenks to do the same. That possibility is implied to not be the case... due to Piccolo's doubt.

Piccolo doubts the pair as they fuse in base but holds hope when the result appears. He'd already seen them fuse a few times, he knew what to expect and yet he was surprised and hopeful. But that surprise is what supports that Goten and Trunks themselves didn't get much stronger... but Gotenks got irregularly stronger.

Dear Leader
Feb 17 2017, 12:24 AM
So what happens if, like me, you consider the Post > Pre implication as a setup for an immediately subsequent gag scene and not a power statement? So, disregarding one sentence from Piccolo which is very much up in the air (and Base Gotenks didn't even scratch Super Buu, so Piccolo was delusional in the first place), is there anything "wrong" with the A + B x 10 formula? Any glaring mistakes or contradictions? I've read several threads on different DBZ forums about the Gotenks multiplier and this is the one which strikes me as the most accurate.
Why x10? It might as well be x2. Where does Gotenks even go if we're ignoring implications?

If SSJ3 Gotenks isn't much higher than SSJ3 Goku, then x2 should work (unless you have the kids miles below Goku... at which point... where does the ignoring of implications end...)

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Feb 17 2017, 12:24 AM
Does it hinge entirely on your subscription to Post > Pre?
If you choose to ignore this comparison... where does it end?
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